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Donnerstag, 4. September 2008, 14:46

Aus Brandenburg: Blume, Charlet, Arnold...

Meine Ahnen aus dem Raum Brandenburg heissen:

Arnold, Bader, Bartsch, Bergemann, Blume, Charlet/Charles, Felisch, Höhne, Mende, Rohde, Röhricht, und andere Anverwandte.

Besonders Blume und Röhricht werden gesucht!

Orte:Insbesondere aus dem Oderbruch, Letschin, Wriezen, Neuhardenberg (Quilitz, Marxwalde), Langheinersdorf, Berlinchen/Neumark, etc.

Würde mich über jede Information freuen!

Kathrin :)

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Freitag, 31. Oktober 2008, 16:21

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Dear Kathrin

Your two mentioned ancestors: Daniel Buchholz and Elisabeth Briesemeister, are also my ancestors. perhaps you know more about then than what I know. I should be very interested to learn further.

I got the following data about them:

Daniel Buchholz:
Born 26. october 1692 Farther: Gürg Buchholz, mother unknown
Christened 30. october in Berlinchen. Godfarthers and godmothers are known.

Married to Elisabeth Briesemeisters on 28. november 1718

Child: Georg Andreas Buchholz born 1722

Daniel Buchholz was taylor and brewery owner

Elisabeth Briesemeister:
Born: 16.february 1696. father: Gürg Friederich Briesemeister. Mother unknown
Christened: 10. march in Berlinchen. Godfarthers and -mothers known.
Dead 25. december 1777

I hope that my data can be of use to you. If you know more i should like to get the information

Sincery yours, Johannes
Johannes

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Samstag, 1. November 2008, 11:26

RE: Aus Brandenburg: Blume, Charlet, Arnold...

Dear Johannes,

further to my reply yesterday I have been able to establish a connection between Elisabeth Briesemeister and her father Georg Friederich Briesemeister, thanks to your email!
I had something about a certain Georg Friederich Briesemeister but was not able to link him with Elisabeth, his daughter, because the name of Elisabeth's father was not mentioned specifically.

This is what I have on Georg Friederich Briesemeister:

Gürg (Georg) Friederich Briesemeister
Born:
Died: 13.04.1704 in Berlinchen, Neumark, Preussen
It says : ""cum concione"" on his death certificate, which I understand to mean " with sermon" - so he was buried with a proper mass in church.

Married:
To: Catharina Pinop
Born:
Died: 1721 Berlinchen, Neumark, Preussen
" Meister Christian Lobuschen Frau, mit einer Leichenpredigt bey der Beerdigung" (Master C. Lobusch's wife, with a mass at the funeral)

Catharina Pinop became a widow early, and she actually married again:
On: 04.12.1704, Berlinchen, Neumark, Preussen
To: Christian Lobusch
I have no further dates on him, but he was the successor in the hereditory lease of the Rathsschneidemühle (presumably the local cutting- or sawing mill).

I wrote you a long reply to your email yesterday, but it doesn't appear to be on this site; please let me know if you have actually received it. It contained the information about my Buchholz and Briesemeister links.

Once again thank you for your information, it has helped me to fill in some gaps and establish a link, and I am very grateful!

Yours sincerely,
Kathrin

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Sonntag, 2. November 2008, 12:08

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Dear Kathrin. 02.11.08

I had yesterday some trouble trying to send you mail, now I try again.

I am sorry, that I have not received your long reply p.t.

I am also sorry, that I have no sure evidence, that Georg Friederich Briesemeister is the father of our Elisabeth Briesemeister. When I had noted him as the right farther, it was on the basis of the text in a Arie Document, which I can not estimate as much better than a guess.

The problem is that there, at that time (1696), was born two children both christened Elisabeth Briesemeister daughters of:
1. Georg Friederich Briesemeister.
2: Andreas Briesemeister
I had hoped, that you had proof to settle this.
I have a number of copyes from the church books about this, which establich the problematic situation. If I get your post adress or fax number. I can send you copies.

For me it is no great problem , as I have only found one of G.F. Briesemeisters ancestors.

In the Buchholz line however, I have come very further back. The name Buchholz stop at 1714, but with other names the line can be traced back to ca. 900 after Christ and even further.

I hope that we perhaps in common can trace the Buchholz name further back.

Yours sincerely Johannes.
Johannes

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Sonntag, 2. November 2008, 14:30

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Dear Johannes,

thanks for your email. I was so happy to have found Elisabeth Briesemeister's father - but I seem to remember that my grandfather, who had started the search, ran into the same problems you mentioned, as to who her actual father was. But the fact, that I have this document about GF Briesemeister and C. Pinop at least lets me think that GF was the father... Who knows?

I would definately be interested in any documents you could copy me, I can send you what I have in return, if you wish.

But here now is my info on the Buchholz family that I have. Since you have so much more, I would be happy to receive any further information to complete my tree :)

BUCHHOLZ LINE:

Buchholtze, Daniel Gottlieb
born: 26.10.1692 Berlinchen (Neumark)
died: 30.08.1768 Berlinchen (Neumark), Daniel starb an "Geschwulst und Husten".(D. died of Tumor and cough)
buried: 02.09.1768 Berlinchen (Neumark)

Baptised: 30.10.1692 Evangelische Gemeinde Berlinchen (Neumark)
Godparents: Jochim Stapel, Fridrich Kuntze, Christof Buddendorf, J.C. Rehdantz, J Rebentischen, C Eberts

Married: 28.11.1718 Gemeinde Berlinchen Nm.
To: Briesemeister, Elisabeth
Born: 1691 or 16.02.1696 (your info)
died: 25.12.1777 Berlinchen (Neumark)
buried: 30.12.1777 Berlinchen (Neumark)
Notes: Der Familienname wechselt in der Schreibweise, er existiert als Brüsemeister und als Briesemeister.
baptised: 10.03.1696 Berlinchen (Neumark)

Notes: Anmerkung der beglaubigten Abschrift aus dem Taufverzeichnis Jhrg. 1692 der ev. Gemeinde Berlinchen Nm.:
"In Berlinchen wohnten zu dieser Zeit eine ganze Reihe "Bucholtz". Der Name ist nur mit "ch" geschrieben. Gurg (gemeint ist Burg/Bürger) Bucholtz ist nicht in Berlinchen getraut. Der Name seiner Ehefrau ist unbekannt.
Für die Richtigkeit Berlinchen Nm., den 18 April 1936
I. A. des evangelischen Pfarramts
gez. Muschick"

..................................................................................................
Their son was:

Georg Andreas (Friedrich) Buchholz
born: 01.06.1722 Berlinchen, Neumark
died: 22.09.1776 Clausdorf bei Berlinchen, Neumark

baptised: 05.06.1722 Evangelischen Gemeinde Belinchen, Neumark, Preussen
Godparents: Aegidius Zimmermann, Christian Ulrich, Martin Rohr, Frau Gottfried Neißer, Frau Georg Ebert, Maria Elisabeth Rebentischen

Profession: Kantor, später Prediger in Clausdorf (Theologe)/Preacher and Theologian in Clausdorf.

Notes: Gürg studierte in Leipzig und Halle Theologie und wurde 1749 Cantor in Berlinchen./Gürg studied theology in Leipzig and Halle, and became preacher in Berlinchen in 1749.

Gürg war eine damals sehr gebräuchliche Form von Georg.
Oft steht es aber auch als Abkürzung für Bürger. Gürg was a then very commonly used form of Georg. Often, however, it was used for citizen(Bürg).

Married: ??
To: Albertine Charlotte Gotthilf Cruse
Born: 13.11.1732 Liebenow Kr. Greifenhagen, Preussen
died: 13.01.1796 Berlinchen (Neumark), Preussen
evangelisch/protestant

Notes: Sie star 63jährig an Wassersucht.
Liebenow ist heute Gryfino, Polen.
.........................................................................................

Their son was:

Carl Friedrich Buchholz
born: 04.12.1771 Berlinchen (Neumark), Preussen
died: 14.12.1837 Langheinersdorf, Schlesien
profession: Pastor/vicar in Lang-Heinersdorf
evangelisch
Notes: Er war Prediger zu Heinersdorf und Langmeil

baptised: 11.12. 1771 evang. Gemeinde Berlinchen (Neumark)
Godparents: Jgfr. Wilhelmine Ernestine Buntebartin, Frau Oberpfarrer Clemen, He. Diaconus M. Koenig, He. Consul Georg Gottlieb Wegner, He. Consul Joh. Gottlieb Rosenthal, He. Postmeister und Secretair Carl Ueckermann.

Married: 19.05.1802 Züllichau
To: Louise Maximiliane Schreck(e)
born: 15.09.1779 Prittag, Schlesien
died: 13.03.1849 Züllichau, Neumark, Preussen
buried: 18.03.1849, Züllichau

baptised:
Godparents: (Copy of certificate):
Abschrift:.
Pathen der Louise Maximiliane Schrecke

Taufzeugen waren:
Fräulein Comtesse Charlotte Louise von Cosell aus dem Hause Saabor

Fräulein Charlotte von Stosch aus dem Hause Harthau

Frau Johanne Helene von Stentsch auf Deutsch Kessel geb. von Bojanowsky

Herr Maximilian Adolf von Stentsch, Sr. Königl. Majest. von Preussen Wohlbestallter Landrath des Grünbergschen Kreises; Landes - Ältester der vereinigten Fürstenthümer Glogau u. Sagan; Herr auf Prittag, Heidau und Treppeln

Herr George Abraham von Stentsch, Herr auf Kleintschirne im Glogauischen

Herr Hans Gottlieb von Stentsch, Herr auf Balkau im Glogauischen

Herr Johann Benjamin Giese, Kauf- und Handelsmann in Züllichau, mein lieber Herr Schwieger Vater

Herr Johann Emanuel Possert, Syndicus der Stadt Züllichau

Herr Johann Wilhelm Giese, Kauf- und Handelsmann in Züllichau.
.................................................................................................

Abschrift ist beglaubigt, 1935. Kopie dieser Abschrift liegt mir vor.
(KS 2006)

..................................................................................................
................................................................................................

Their daughter was:
Henriette Luise Mathilde Buchholz
born: 06.07.1807 Langheinersdorf, Schlesien
died: 18.04.1875 Sandow, Kreis Weststernberg, Neumark, Preussen
evangelisch
Married: 16.11.1831 Langheinersdorf
To: Carl August Röhricht
born: 25.07.1803 Bomst (Grenzmark), Posen, Südpreussen
died: 24.12.1876 Frankfurt an der Oder, Brandenburg, Preussen
profession: Kantor und Lehrer in Sandow und Reichenwalde/pastor and teacher
protestant
Notes: Komponist des Familienmarsches!
Karl August muss noch andere Geschwister gehabt haben, da er als "ältester Sohn" des Joh. Gottlieb Röhricht auf seinemTrauschein geführt wird.
...................................................................................................

Their son was:
Oskar Robert Gustav Paul Röhricht
married to : Minna Mende
two daughters
(info available, but via email or postal address)

my line stems from this couple.
..................................................................................................

Father of Albertine C G Cruse (listed above):
Albertus Crusius
born: 23.10.1691 Liebenow Kr. Greifenhagen, Preussen
died: 07.04.1739 Liebenow Kr. Greifenhagen, Preussen
profession: Pastor
protestant
Name of wife unknown. Incl. Albertine, the couple had 7 children:
Gottlob, Henriette, Wilhelm, Johanna, Polykarp, Louisia.
.................................................................................................
Father of Albertus Crusius:
Joachim Friedrich Crusius
born: before/vor 1679 Copriben, Neustettin, Preussisch - Brandenburg
died: 1727
profession:
Pastor

married twice!
First wife: unknown
Second wife: wedding: 28.10.1707 Liebenow, Pommern, Preussen
To :Maria Catharina von Hörigern
She was married before, as well, her husband died before 1707.
...................................................................................................

This is about all that I have on the Buchholz and Briesemeister families. If you have anything of help for me, I would be most grateful.

Here is my work address:
Kathrin Skillings
A I U Floor 1
Trent Bridge House
Fox Road
West Bridgford
Nottingham NG2 6BJ
Great Britain

Please mark the envelope as "Private".

I am curious to know what you have on the Buchholz', especially if they go back to the 10th century! Please let me know!

Take care, kind regards,

Kathrin ;)

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Sonntag, 2. November 2008, 19:36

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Dear Kathrin

Thank you for your mail. It closed a number of holes in my line of ancestors. I hurry to close some of your holes:

1. Carl Friedrich Buchholz, also had a son: Friedrich August Alexander, unknown Wife, my line stems from him.

2. Albert Crusius married Elisabeth Fürstenow

3. Joachim Friedrich Crusius, his first Wife: Maria Elisabeth von Strauss

And a question: Georg Andreas Buchholz, you has (Friedrich). If this name could be verified, we have one more indicium for Georg Friedrich as his Grandfarther.

I vil return with more. Thank you very much for a very valuable help to compleete a rather thin part of the line.

Sincerely yours, Johannes
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Montag, 3. November 2008, 12:23

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Dear Johannes,

thanks for your reply, you have made me very happy with your "gap fillers"!
In regards to Georg Andreas Buchholz: I am not sure what you mean, but if you could give me your postal or email address, I can send you paper or electronic copies of my documents.
These documents are verified copies of church book entries which my grandfather had collated for the Arian Pass - he was also a keen researcher.

So keep in touch!
By the way, would you have any dates & places for the people you mentioned in your last email to me? (Maria von Strauss, etc?)

I agree that it is difficult to find anything on our Buchholz ancestors. On GedBas there are loads of Buchholz, but none connect with mine. Perhaps, now that you have given me some more pointers, I can unearth some more. Please let me know should you find out anything else, I shall do the same in return, of course.


Greeetings from England,
Kathrin :)

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Montag, 3. November 2008, 13:54

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Dear Johannes,

I was just working through the names you sent me, and I think there might be some confusion:

According to my documents, Albertus Crusius wasdefinately the SON of Joachim Friedrich Crusius.

I then searched on GedBas to find any of the names you gave me, to find more information. On GedBas, there is an Albert Crusius, but he is the FATHER of Joachim Crusius. The names of both men's wives are given there, too, but nothing will fit.

Do you have any documents that shed some light on the father/son thing for me?

With kind regards,
Kathrin ;)

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Montag, 3. November 2008, 17:02

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Dear Kathrin

As you found out, there are two generations of Albert Crusius

1. The oldest is he who were married to Elisabeth Fürstenow.

2. His son was Joachim Friedrich Crusius, who was married to Maria Elisabeth von Straus aus Adamsdorf.

3. His son was Albert Crusius, his wife is unknown.

I have send you my e-mail adress, and as soon as I get yours I will send my file with the scematic presentation af my ancestors. That should make it easyer to see the connections.

Greetings from Denmark
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Montag, 3. November 2008, 17:12

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Dear Johannes,

it really is more complicated than I thought! Thanks for explaining the Crusius confusion. I did not know that there were two Alberts.

I assume you have sent me your email address through this site, but I don't know how to access it as I don't know my way around theis site too well. I would be glad to receive your schematic tree - branch, to sort my Crusius' out for good!

Kind regards,
Kathrin :)